Monday, November 12, 2007

A "messing with the classics" bon mot

"I drink, therefore I am."

René Descartes (1596-1650)
[According to Monty Python]


Descartes' original maxim was, of course, "Cogito, ergo sum" ("I think, therefore I am"). The 'therefore' remains highly contentious.

This variation would in Latin be
"Bibo, ergo sum".

21 comments:

Froog said...

I was thinking this was one reference that wouldn't need explaining (the Python, that is); but then I remembered Tulsa's curious cultural vacuum.

She was only exposed to the Froogly world late in life, and is still a dazed ingenue, blinking in wonderment at everything I present to her, and occasionally murmuring distractedly, "I want to be a rider, like my father."

Cowboy, help me out here? With either of the references?

Anonymous said...

LoL!!

Yes, please TBC, do pipe in...

LoL...

okay, now that the laughter isn't inhibiting the typing, I want to report back with some possibly completely unrelated matters--

a. saw the Simpsons movie (invitation to discuss endlessly in comments is being given)

b. just yesterday i threw in several literary references whilst conversing with some friends and I'm positive not one reference registered. No one reads the stuff I read, apparently, or maybe they just don't read, period. I had TBC and Froog running through my head saying "Please tell me you got that movie reference." But then I got an (unrelated) email today quoting some stuff back at me and I thought "aha! at least someone reads!" Which is my long way of say: TBC, Froog, I'm not completely oblivious to what it must be like for you to discuss the Films with me. :)

The British Cowboy said...

To which references are you referring? My comprehension fu is weak today.

The British Cowboy said...

Sorry, I have "You killed my father. Prepare to die" stuck on the brain.

Froog said...

My name is Inigo Montoya.....

Leah would love you for that.

However, I was thinking more 'Philosophers' Song' and 'The Enigma of Kasper Hauser'.

The British Cowboy said...

Oh I am sorry - I really am dopey today.


If you have honestly never seen it Tulsa, here is a pretty good link...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_WRFJwGsbY

Froog said...

Thanks for the link, Cowboy.

I might put Inigo up on here as well in a day or two.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the link TBC.

Froog said...

T, have you sussed out the Kaspar Hauser reference yet? Try IMDB and/or Wikipedia.

Froog said...

Cowboy, perhaps this was a little before your time, but.... there was for a while a tradition (initiated by me, I confess) of marking 'last orders' at the Oxford Union bar with a loud chorus of The Philosophers' Song.

I'm not much of a singer, but I have a weakness for comic songs.

I once sat up half the night with Brett, getting plastered on JD and singing Tom Lehrer numbers....

Anonymous said...

another unrelated comment.

there's a rumour tom waits is coming to town.

a. is that possible?

b. did you start the rumor?

Froog said...

Don't joke with me, T - that's cruel!

I did not start this rumour. I think it is extremely unlikely. I would, of course, sell my remaining kidney to get tickets.

I shall get to the bottom of this.

Kaspar Hauser? Stop avoiding the question!

The British Cowboy said...

Definitely before my time...

Froog said...

Kaspar Hauser or Tom Waits?

You're being a little too cryptic today, Cowboy.

Anonymous said...

I looked up the summary of Kasper Hauser.

How occasionally murmuring distractedly, "I want to be a rider, like my father." fits into the picture is not clear.

I am intrigued by the film and by the reference. I wonder if Sanlitun DVD shop carries 1974 films.

Really, the go-to place for this type of a dvd hunt is that shop by Hongqiao - but it's so far away.... do you have other dvds to get? I probably have a decent list now, we could make a trip of it this weekend if you're free. Having company might motivate me to get all the way down there and do some dvd shopping. And my personal film-databank as a companion certainly couldn't hurt. Saturday?

Anonymous said...

my bad, Kasper Hauser was a 1975 film.

Anonymous said...

remaining?

you only have one?

did I miss the story on this one somewhere?

Froog said...

Herzog's film is based on a real story of a young man who was suddenly released into the world in his late teens, having apparently spent most of his life prior to that in solitary confinement. The only thing he carried with him was a small wooden toy horse, and the only thing he could apparently remember about his family was that his father had been in the cavalry. So, the only thing he ever said on first emerging into the world was......

He was assassinated a little while later, when he was only just becoming attuned to the world as we know it.

Of all the sad, strange, fucked-up stories in the world, this one probably takes the cake. And Herzog's cinematic treatment of it is very interesting.

It if is released on DVD anywhere in the world, it will be available in China. I've seen his 'Fitzcarraldo' and 'Aguirre' out here (though, stupidly, I haven't bought them - and they are rare finds).

The British Cowboy said...

"Cowboy, perhaps this was a little before your time, but.... there was for a while a tradition (initiated by me, I confess) of marking 'last orders' at the Oxford Union bar with a loud chorus of The Philosophers' Song."

Definitely before my time.

Anonymous said...

I admit that I ain't no angel. I admit that I ain't no saint. I'm selfish and I'm cruel, but you're blind. If I exorcise my devils, well my angels may leave too. When they leave they're so hard to find.

So please call me baby, wherever you are. It's too cold to be out walking in the streets.

Froog said...

OMG, you're a Tom Waits fan too??

I think you are my perfect woman! Well, apart from 9,000 miles away and already married.... Details, details.